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C.Roberts
08-18-2013, 11:55 PM
Being 71 years old, and with it sounding like shooting back tension being the best thing since sliced bread, and almost everyone who has been shooting since they stopped using flint tipped arrows, telling me I'd really help my score, I decided to try it, and not give up until I had lost what few teeth I had left, or was convinced that those shooters were right. After reading everything I could find, watching videos until my eyes started to cross, and snapping a string across the living room until everyone thought I had really lost it, not knowing they had hid it from me, I figured that blind bale was challenging me. Didn't take long doing that boring task until I was sure I was ready.
First thing I learned was whatever I do, never forget to draw with that thumb and index finger, and it's going to remind you, better than any drill instructor, the first time you decide to let your thumb and finger remember it on their own.
Second thing is, until you have more experience than me, don't try to show the grandson, by bending over to let him hear the click . MY mouth is still swollen, but all teeth seem to be there, and the bleeding has stopped.
Maybe by the end of January I'll be able to come to full draw without the trembling inside. Even though, I can hide it pretty well, I do have a fear that wasn't there before. I sure hope that burned end in that D loop doesn't slip through.
Think I need a release with a safety? Nah! I'm too hard headed for that.

carlosii
08-19-2013, 10:15 AM
well, since you're already dead set against a hinge release with a safety, i'll not add any advice.
i'm looking for my old football helmet that has the face guard attached. if i can find it i'll send it to you...should save you a few teeth, you know, the ones that chaw ain't rotted out yet.

seriously, l have releases with safetys and without them. i think i tend to punch the ones with the safety more than the ones without. the one without the safety has a clicker, which i find helps me keep that thumb and index finger putting the pressure on.

i don't know if i shoot any better with a BT release, but it does, i think, look cooler.*

good luck and keep your dentist's number on speed dial.



*as if there's anything that can help me shoot better

Elkhunter
08-19-2013, 12:57 PM
"Think I need a release with a safety ?" --- I think you do too !!! --- TOTALLY puts yer mind at ease during the "draw cycle" --- totally puts yer mind at ease during a "let down" --- don't need to wear an "athletic mouthpiece" ---- makes sense ta me !!! --- what more could one ask for ???

SonnyThomas
08-19-2013, 01:12 PM
I take my teeth out ;)

No. Seriously, at your young age, I'd stay with something more user friendly. Me do. And I gots them hingie things, mostly Stanislawskis, two and three finger jobs. Mostly gets them out for people to gawk at - like Wow! Man! Those are great!

Gots them trainer Stans, cross pin thing, where you can set the release to your likin' and not fling arrows into the next county....Well, until you actually shoot. Yeah, the release fires, you can hear it click as in firing, but it won't let the string go. Has saved me looking for few dozen arrows....and so far has kept my store bought chompers intake.

So I practice a bit with the hinge to improve my use with my thumb release. Actually, the best hinge I have...? That I get along with doesn't have a pulling post, thumb barrel or whatever they call them things. Yep, hang on for dear life with the index finge (keep head out the way), anchor, aim like (can we use that word) and I can do fairly good...on flat ground.

As you rattled, there are more articles and information relating of the hinge than Carter has pills. ??? Never did understand the Carter pill thing. Evidently Carter made a few pills?

And then over on AT there's this Thread with numerous pages where the Pros "cheat" the hinge and these are top Pros. Yep, they even chimed in. Now that isn't nice, cheating the hinge, but those guys win doing it.

Ahhhh, back tension to fire any release. BS! and, yep, you can, but it ain't the same. I got it fingered this way; Latch on to something with your fingers, bow string if you wish. Try drawing and see if your fingers pull off or you clinch your fingers harder to hold on..... Any release with a trigger is going to fire no matter what if you apply drawing or the supposed back tension. It can't be helped as Mommy Nature is at work. You pull and fingers clinch. Fingers/thumb clinch and release fires. So how do you know that you're really using true back tension?

Tension releases are a bit different animal. Watched this guy pulling his guts out with supposed back tension. Him is wore out after about three shots I asked what release he had and it was one of them new fangled draw and fire jobbies. I then said; "If you're to pull through why are you using back tension?" So he tries pulling through and puts three or four good shots on paper and then one right through the ceiling and out the roof. Muscle kind of guy, he realizes he has to set the release tension a bit harder for the pounds he is drawing. Well, the arrow didn't quite out the roof. About half his arrow is still sticking out the roof. Boss says the arrow has the hole plugged and rain ain't coming in, leave it and it's still there today.

Nice about working at a archery shop with a indoor range, you can watch all the guys doing everything wrong ;) Yep, stance, anchor, grip, release elbow and all that. And then the good guys come in. You can just watch them only and know their arrow finds the X...or so close the X faints.... I oughts to run these guys off. Dang near fallin' asleep, that relaxed, and shootin' that good. Insurance no good if they're asleep, right?

???? Just read this article by the Great Randy Ulmer. He says to use only the hinge and nothing else. So many articles, coaches and all say it takes weeks or months of practice before you are proficent with the hinge. Nothing but a hinge, months? If so, how are we to shoot 3D in the mean time?

carlosii
08-19-2013, 07:04 PM
Sonny, re: Carter's pills...it refers to Carter's Little Liver Pills. they would cure any issue associated with the liver. guess you ain't a true geezer after all or you'd have known that.

i know two t.r.u. ball sweet spot shooters that cheat that one just a bit, right Elkie? use the pinkie...

C.Roberts
08-22-2013, 02:50 AM
Just a little heads up (duh) but Elkie and Carlos teaching each other the advanced techniques of proper back tension, such as using the pinkie to fire their Sweet Spots, has me wondering if R.E, Jake, Charlie, Robt, Lamar, Terry, Roger, and all those hotshot Master shooters might want to make sure they stay at the top of their game, with those two geezers plotting their secret plans for the 2014 ProAm events.
Me, my latest brainstorm has me filling my little lube tube, attached to my stool, with Root Growing Hormone to not only lube my arrows, but when they become covered with soil maybe I will be blessed with a new crop of arrows for the year.
Yep! my farm boy background has me wondering if I should try crossing a Fatboy with a Black Eagle?...Fat Eagle? Yeah!

Elkhunter
08-22-2013, 12:45 PM
YUPPER >>>----------------> The "pinkie" is the answer --- them 4-spots "rock" --- in fact if TRU Ball made a 5-spot I'd go as far as to try n' float a loan from Carlos ta get another baby finger grafted ta the end a my right hand for even greater, smoother leverage.

Talking about 2014 --- I got plans already put into action ---- y'all'd swear I live in a science lab, I mean the only thing missin is a buncha beakers --- by the time Newberry gets here the 12's in them targets is gonna plumb skidaddle from the vitals cause they all know there gonna be in fer a poke from my big sharp stick --- my X-Jammers already been nicknamed "12-Jammers", and have paved their way ta glory. Not a day goes by without runnin a new experiment n' I got over 5 monthsa experimentin left ta do yet. When I walk onto the range next Feb. y'all's just gonna tremble with the "fear" ---- so bad one'd think there was a terrible earthquake somewhere nearby. I'm havin visions a shootin (20)12's a day --- won't take long n' y'alls gonna wonder if that young feller Levi snuck onto the Geezers' range warin a "Elkie Mask" --- hey thatsa great idea I shoud have a buncha them made up fer the proams, so I can sell em --- I was always told I was blessed with a vivid imagination --- imagine that ??? !!!

SonnyThomas
08-22-2013, 12:59 PM
Vivid seems kinda lacking....but then when I up and whip ole Levi and just as Mike hands the check I wake up!

C.Roberts
08-22-2013, 10:49 PM
YUPPER >>>----------------> The "pinkie" is the answer --- I'm havin visions a shootin (20)12's a day --- won't take long n' y'alls gonna wonder if that young feller Levi snuck onto the Geezers' range warin a "Elkie Mask" --- imagine that ??? !!!
A vivid imagination?....20 twelves a day... Imagine that.... Might take a little longer than you think, Elkie. Way I got it figured, in order to shoot 20 twelves a day, you may have to start early, then Valorie could always hold a light for you as you finish up. I'm still trying to make it to 20 twelves in 2013. Think maybe, like with the IRS, I may need an extension.

SonnyThomas
08-23-2013, 01:10 PM
C. Roberts,
Did ya get that Hinge procedure of Padgett's? If not, I have it in my "secret files" and already PMd Carlos a copy.

carlosii
08-23-2013, 04:12 PM
curious, what release are you shooting, Clawed?

C.Roberts
08-23-2013, 05:57 PM
C. Roberts,
Did ya get that Hinge procedure of Padgett's? If not, I have it in my "secret files" and already PMd Carlos a copy.

Hey Sonny,
Got his hinge procedure, but after his post on AT's 50 yard thread, had to disregard it as not being for me. According to him, if I used his procedure, I would probably only be able to shoot 1 arrow at a time at any target under 50 yards, for fear of shooting the back out of my arrows. Retrieving arrows at 60 yards and beyond is a lot of walking for an old man, so thought i'd best stay away from getting that good, in order to still maintain my friendship with Carlosii and Elkhunter.

Carlosii,
I'm shooting a Tru Ball Three Finger, but am thinking of inserting a long screw into the end of it in order to use my pinkie, like you and Elkie.

Elkhunter
08-23-2013, 07:24 PM
Hey Clawed --- a TRU Ball "3-fingered what" ??? ---- They make about as many 3-fingered releases, as Carters little pills in one bottle.

carlosii
08-23-2013, 11:28 PM
Hey Clawed --- a TRU Ball "3-fingered what" ??? ---- They make about as many 3-fingered releases, as Carters little pills in one bottle.


I'm betting an HT...

Elkhunter
08-23-2013, 11:49 PM
The suspense is building --- Clawed --- where are you ??? ---- we need to know what you have, or we won't sleep all night !!!

C.Roberts
08-24-2013, 02:49 AM
I'm betting an HT...


Hey Clawed --- a TRU Ball "3-fingered what" ??? ---- They make about as many 3-fingered releases, as Carters little pills in one bottle.

Well I have an HT3, but also have a BT4 that is cut down to a three finger which I really prefer over the HT. Just a warning for you two. After that bit of information provided to me on setting up my shot sequence, guess I'll be buying a lot more arrows, as i'm expecting to destroy quite a few by shooting groups, and not shooting beyond 50 yards. Maybe have to take out a loan.

Elkhunter
08-24-2013, 11:46 AM
Oh Oh, a sooper secret "shot sequence" --- I do think we're in big trouble Carlos. I think you live a lot closer to him than I do, maybe you could sachay on over to his place n' set up a video recorder on his practice range, since y'all been trained by the NSA (National School Assn). That way we'll be able to decifer his new high-performance shot sequence, keep the secret to areselves, and surprize him at Newberry. The plot is thickening !!!

C.Roberts
08-26-2013, 10:11 PM
Oh Oh, a sooper secret "shot sequence" --- The plot is thickening !!!

Guess you two geezers know, I'd not do this for just anyone but since I've got this new sequence going for me, I'll let you two in on my secret. Call it my ''Hope---I'm Good Sequence'' and since everyone has given up on trying to make sense of our foolishness here on this thread, I won't have to worry about my secret technique getting out.
1. Hope arrow has the correct fletching turned up... I'm Good, since blade didn't twang and no fletchings on the ground.
2. Hope no click until release has cleared my nose and mouth...I'm Good, now to anchor before it's just another lost arrow.
3. Hope my anchor point is better than the last one... I'm Good, at least it did let me anchor, and didn't go off this time.
4. Hope my arm will hold the bow up, once it stops shaking... I'm Good, arm steady, now to stop the bow, it's still moving.
5. Hope that pin float settles to within the target somewhere... I'm Good, it actually fired as it was crossing the target.
6. Hope to let down and put arrow back on rest... I'm Good, if it's true that I really should use equal pressure on all fingers.
7. Hope never to believe advice pertaining to equal pressure...I'm Good, won't do that again.

SonnyThomas
08-26-2013, 11:10 PM
I use a thumb release set as heavy as I can get it. ;) Just like I said to start...got them hinge things to lay out so people can go; "Man! Wow! Those look neat!

Shot with one guy Sunday. He had one of them "look out, it might go off" things. Launched one arrow good, but we found it....12 rows of corn stopped it....Otherwise, he hit the 3D targets...kinda.....

Elkhunter
08-27-2013, 02:18 AM
Sounds like it must be harvest time on Claweds' farm --- he been smokin "corn silk" in his recliner agin !!!

C.Roberts
08-29-2013, 11:49 PM
Hey Clawed --- a TRU Ball "3-fingered what" ??? ---- They make about as many 3-fingered releases, as Carters little pills in one bottle.

You got that right, but I only need one to shoot. Oh, and also the one that is waiting for me somewhere in the tall weeds. you see this free internet information said just release my fingers and it would fire. Absolutely correct, releasing my fingers sent my arrow and release down range, but neither where I was aiming. Guess maybe they didn't mean for me to completely release my fingers.
Seems as if I'm to be a real hinge shooter, as Sonny said a collection of them to show, will be a necessity. Maybe it's like grandmothers and pictures of their grandchildren, let me show you my hinges. Someone even told me that changing hinges every few shots would help accuracy, Hmm now there's a reason for a larger release bag, but I'm determined to master it.

carlosii
08-30-2013, 12:00 PM
i shot my HT into the basement wall...Joey at tru ball repaired it for me and at his suggestion i let him add a lanyard to it so it wouldn't happen again. cheap insurance.

SonnyThomas
08-30-2013, 01:28 PM
You got that right, but I only need one to shoot. Oh, and also the one that is waiting for me somewhere in the tall weeds. you see this free internet information said just release my fingers and it would fire. Absolutely correct, releasing my fingers sent my arrow and release down range, but neither where I was aiming. Guess maybe they didn't mean for me to completely release my fingers.
Seems as if I'm to be a real hinge shooter, as Sonny said a collection of them to show, will be a necessity. Maybe it's like grandmothers and pictures of their grandchildren, let me show you my hinges. Someone even told me that changing hinges every few shots would help accuracy, Hmm now there's a reason for a larger release bag, but I'm determined to master it.

Well, if so...My collection ain't near big enough....

Now, on the upside, you get really, really good...You can get a sponsor for arrows...So no worry about running out of arrows....And then if really, really, good, you might land some shaving cream commercial...Polident stickup or cleanum...or Viagra...

C.Roberts
09-02-2013, 01:16 AM
Time for me to fess up. This time I ain't just whistling Dixie, I'm serious as a heart attack, and it's all due to some really good advice from an internet hinge shooter by the name of Padgett, who gave me his hinge setup procedure. Yes, I've been accused being a little skeptical, well maybe hard headed in my old age. I figured that I would surely be giving up on it, as this is not the first time I've tried shooting a hinge.
Terry, another geezer from up Pennsylvania way, who impressed me when I first started shooting, tried to get me into shooting a hinge and now I know what he was trying to tell me. Now that Padgett has helped me over the hump, that was always the reason I gave it up, I'm now feeling that if only I'd setup my sequence properly, I probably would have been shooting a hinge before now.
Maybe my shooting will never be as good as a lot of others, but for the last few days my groups at 40 yards have been what never in a million years, would I have thought I could accomplish. The hinge gets more comfortable each session, and for the first time it's so exciting and each shot brings out that....wow.. never thought I could do that. Shooting is fun again, and I seem to surprise myself with my improved accuracy. Just wanted to say ''Thanks Padgett''

carlosii
09-02-2013, 01:27 AM
Time for me to fess up. This time I ain't just whistling Dixie, I'm serious as a heart attack, and it's all due to some really good advice from an internet hinge shooter by the name of Padgett, who gave me his hinge setup procedure. Yes, I've been accused being a little skeptical, well maybe hard headed in my old age. I figured that I would surely be giving up on it, as this is not the first time I've tried shooting a hinge.
Terry, another geezer from up Pennsylvania way, who impressed me when I first started shooting, tried to get me into shooting a hinge and now I know what he was trying to tell me. Now that Padgett has helped me over the hump, that was always the reason I gave it up, I'm now feeling that if only I'd setup my sequence properly, I probably would have been shooting a hinge before now.
Maybe my shooting will never be as good as a lot of others, but for the last few days my groups at 40 yards have been what never in a million years, would I have thought I could accomplish. The hinge gets more comfortable each session, and for the first time it's so exciting and each shot brings out that....wow.. never thought I could do that. Shooting is fun again, and I seem to surprise myself with my improved accuracy. Just wanted to say ''Thanks Padgett''

great for you...now get ready to go get them guys...i'll watch from my usual spot.

Elkhunter
09-02-2013, 12:51 PM
Oh Oh !!! --- A Labor Day News Alert !!! --- "Clawed fessed up" --- we now gotta new star on the horizon --- a new force ta reckon with --- heard tell he's already buildin a trophy shelf in his hay loft --- "whats a mother to do" ??? !!!

Fer sure now everyones gonna hafta step up their game at the Geezer Bowl --- no walks in the park next season --- anybody gotta full list a geezers, so a APB can be sent out ???

ALSO, gotta git a holt a the oddsmakers in Vegas, n' give em a heads up --- this is BIG news !!!

Oh my oh my !!! --- Course, who knows --- he shootin w/o a safety he might not have no front choppers left by then n' end up goin back to the wrist caliper release --- what a dalemma he could have on his hands.

Oh well.

SonnyThomas
09-02-2013, 01:55 PM
For those want, Padgetts's procedure can be posted. Also, he is of the sort that will help you through his procedure and work out other issues should they come about.

Best test I ever had was shooting from 30 yards indoors, at the shop. First shot to take and a bet I couldn't drill the X on a NFAA 5 spot. Full draw, anchor and aiming and the "Better" turned the lights off. Yeah, me in the dark (Helps that I am in the dark all the time). Anyway, me, the "bettie", felt all good and dead on and let go. Dead X, about as pretty as could be. Wish the bet was for more than a Diet Coke...
The release I used was the Stanislawski MagMicro Trio, no pulling post, not even drilled for one.

C.Roberts
09-02-2013, 03:36 PM
Sounds like Sonny is getting all primed up to join the class of the Masters of magical myths, and misfortunes . That golden age will be here before you know it.
Elkie, no need to get so scared that you will end up like the last couple of years, and not even show for the 2014 festival to determine the ''GRAND MASTER GEEZER'' now that you are an ASA podium award winning geezer, you now have a reputation to defend. Pay no attention to the fact that i'll be making my debut as a new hinge shooter. You see, after watching you and Carlosii tickle those things with your pinkies, I just couldn't stand to be outdone.
Word is that the multiple Indiana FAA state master champion , multiple Indiana ASA state master champion, as well as the Regional ProAm master senior winner of the Indiana event, will be signing autographs.

carlosii
09-02-2013, 06:57 PM
Word is that the multiple Indiana FAA state master champion , multiple Indiana ASA state master champion, as well as the Regional ProAm master senior winner of the Indiana event, will be signing autographs.

i will NOT be signing autographs...the NCAA would be on me like a wet sheet...btw, you left out IFAA animal round record holder...ahem...just sayin'.

carlosii
09-02-2013, 07:02 PM
Seriously, Clawed, are you following Padgett's routine to the letter? I'm wondering about the part where you draw with thumb on the peg, take thumb off the peg and it [U]must[U] fire within 3 seconds. is that the way its happening for you?

I'm shooting that sweet spot with the safety, but I'm not satisfied because I'm thinking I too frequently punch it. That's why I'm not shooting better.

Any feed back will be appreciated...you know how I look up to you and Elkie...

C.Roberts
09-02-2013, 07:36 PM
Well, if so...My collection ain't near big enough....

Now, on the upside, you get really, really good...You can get a sponsor for arrows...So no worry about running out of arrows....And then if really, really, good, you might land some shaving cream commercial...Polident stickup or cleanum...or Viagra...

Good idea there Sonny, but I might just grow one of those Duck Dynasty long beards, eliminating the need for shaving, wouldn't need to have my teeth, and probably have no need for the Viagra.

Elkhunter
09-02-2013, 10:30 PM
Clawed --- why would y'all need Viagara now ??? Ya could get yer own sponser fer arrahs --- called a metal detecter n' find yer own arrahs ya lost plus a lotta somebuddy elses arrahs too.

Carlos --- I took the thumb post offa my Sweetspot the first day I bought it, and haven't looked back. I think I get a more consistance release without it --- try it ya might like it.

Oooooh, I just might hava majer legue announcement comin up here in the next cupple a weeks er so --- stay tuned !!!

General --- can you believe how humble Clawed is ??? Here he is now near purrrfection n' y'd never no it --- GO Clawed !!!

SonnyThomas
09-03-2013, 02:54 PM
Carlos, Padgett has that little section in his procedure where you draw evenly with the fingers. When,,,key word, I do, I do pretty good. Confidence is what I need and I guess that's where you latch on to a hinge and shoot it and nothing else.

C.Roberts
09-03-2013, 04:01 PM
Seriously, Clawed, are you following Padgett's routine to the letter? I'm wondering about the part where you draw with thumb on the peg, take thumb off the peg and it [U]must[U] fire within 3 seconds. is that the way its happening for you?

I'm shooting that sweet spot with the safety, but I'm not satisfied because I'm thinking I too frequently punch it. That's why I'm not shooting better.

Any feed back will be appreciated...you know how I look up to you and Elkie...

Well, in regard to the click as you release the thumb followed by the firing. After setting and resetting, I guess maybe he was correct when he said how important is the setting of the release. When I finally found the right setting, his information was absolutely right. Set to where a gradual reduction of the thumb pressure activates the click, when removing the thumb with equal pressure on fingers, I find that the amount of pull against the wall will have an effect on the time. This was one of the most important bits of his information, as it provided, for me, a method of firing without that long drawn out, tiring to the point letting down, waiting for it to fire.
Whoa... got to stop this sounding like I know what I'm talking about, because finding that proper setting sure wasn't easy. Just my opinion, and it's what works for me ...Claude

SonnyThomas
09-03-2013, 06:28 PM
Good idea there Sonny, but I might just grow one of those Duck Dynasty long beards, eliminating the need for shaving, wouldn't need to have my teeth, and probably have no need for the Viagra.

Duck Dynasty, I've heard people rattle of this, but luckily I have not fell victim to the program or whatever it is. Just like I couldn't sit through the God Father when it came out. 25 years later commercials were running rampant of the God Father and the series of God Father that came after, luckily, I have never fell victim to having the need of the entire collection or movie within.

carlosii
09-04-2013, 12:28 AM
Duck Dynasty, I've heard people rattle of this, but luckily I have not fell victim to the program or whatever it is. Just like I couldn't sit through the God Father when it came out. 25 years later commercials were running rampant of the God Father and the series of God Father that came after, luckily, I have never fell victim to having the need of the entire collection or movie within.

hmm....the words "fuddy duddy" come to mind. ;)

carlosii
09-06-2013, 12:31 AM
Clawed and Elkie...I'm thinking that Padgett's release method does about what the relaxing of the index finger and pulling with the pinkie or ring finger does for Elkie...unless I'm miss reading what Elkie says is his method. I think he shoots a 4 finger which would mean the pinkie would be the finger that tightens up while the index finger relaxes.

When you (Clawed/Padgett) ease off the post i would guess the pressure point moves to the finger furthest away from the index finger.

What say you yardbirds?

Elkhunter
09-06-2013, 12:00 PM
Carlos ---- That's EXACTLY what I have been trying to tell you --- that's EXACTLY why I removed the thumb post from mine right off the bat from the get-go, that transfers more pressure to the "pinkie" --- that's EXACTLY what I have been telling you about my preference of the 4-finger over the 3-finger release, that allows the greatest pressure being exerted by the "pinkie" finger for greater "leverage" --- you are "spot on" sir, that the "pinkie" finger is the best instrument for a better release of the arrow. Padgetts method is no different than the way I have been doing it ever since I started shooting BT --- it only took me one day shooting BT to determine the thumb peg was "useless".

Hope this helps.

Elkhunter
09-06-2013, 12:04 PM
Jeepers, Jeepers, Jeepers gize --- sorry for another "serious post" --- LOL !!! --- Oh well.

carlosii
09-06-2013, 01:59 PM
Jeepers, Jeepers, Jeepers gize --- sorry for another "serious post" --- LOL !!! --- Oh well.

oh...you were serious?

i'm sorry, but are you sure about your method mirrors Padgetts? i'm going to try removing the peg on the sweet spot, but i'm also going to drag out my HT (with clicker) and try to replicate Padgett's method...i guess i want to experience the two for myself.

btw, anybody else shooting a sweet spot who would like to chime in here?

SonnyThomas
09-06-2013, 02:29 PM
Sold my Sweet Spot years back... One of the first to come out, got it at the ATA show. Couldn't get it to adjust. The next owner had the same issue or it wouldn't stay set, I think. The third owner sent it to the factory and it was replaced.

Elkhunter
09-06-2013, 05:42 PM
There ya go Carlos --- giver a try --- I might be wrong here, but I seem to recall, that you only have a 3-finger Sweetie --- at Newberry you might try my 4-finger w/o tumb rest, and then compare --- or, do y'all only got 3-fingers ??? --- I know a lotta cedar shake sawyers that got fewer than that !!!

Keep us posted as to how you like shooting w/o the post

Sometime at a shoot I'd like to try yer HT out --- seems to me I tried one a those out one time,and the anchor point sure changed --- also it didn't have a safety.

carlosii
09-23-2013, 12:35 PM
hey Clawed...how about an update? you've been awful quiet lately with no report on your progress (or lack thereof) with your new release. hope you're not in regression.

Elkhunter
09-23-2013, 01:04 PM
Regression ??? --- I think he just beat you into hibernation --- probably won't come out until he's rested up enough to make it through the Geezer Bowl --- followed up by the Dessert Shootout.

C.Roberts
09-23-2013, 08:13 PM
Could it be that Carlosii is concerned with my progress because of the 2014 Annual Grand Master Geezer Championship, or maybe he remembers who talks about it each winter but never shows. Do hope our old buddy Elkie will be there to give us a few pointers on shooting a hinge. All I can report as far as progress is that I am now only practicing at maximum yardage with my hinge, and usually can pull all 6 arrows with a one handed single pull. Just like Padgett said, looks like shooting groups is getting expensive with the damaged arrows. ''Aww Shaw Now''

Elkhunter
09-23-2013, 08:42 PM
Claaaaawed --- y'all wanna git reeeeal good, practice at 10yds beyond your max = 50yds --- then y'all never be able ta afford shootin at a closer distance.

How long y'all up fer this time before ya go back ta sleep fer nuther few weeks ??? --- jeepers, first posted at 4:13pm --- musta took ya 8hrs er so ta git all the sleepers otta yer eyes !!!

carlosii
09-27-2013, 11:56 AM
went out to shoot yesterday afternoon...first time since the classic. like what the pilot said when the lady backed into the propeller..."disaster".

now i have to decide if i want to do the work necessary to regain my championship form, or do i want to retire and just drive around in my recliner.

left arm was shakin' so bad i couldn't keep it on the bullseye.

Elkhunter
09-27-2013, 12:50 PM
If ya wanna be a winner at newberry in February, you probably should just "grit yer teeth", and start practicin perfect NOW. Get a good perfect practice regimen goin, so y'all be "toned up". We'll be havin some new talent in are class again next season --- that's right, some new rookies (again), n' their YOUNG n' TUFF, n' have no fear. Look how good the rookies did this past year --- Bob, Harold, Leon, and Roy, and also them 2nd year geezers like RE --- them gize kicked some foam !!! Us original geezers gotta band together to defend are stature in are class cause them new ones are gonna keep on comin, and comin, and comin, cause people keep gettin older every year instead a younger.

SOOO, just remember "perfect practice" --- not just "practice", and do it at 50yds --- that is the answer !!! You got 4 months to convert a "disaster" inta a "champ".

3rdplace
09-27-2013, 08:02 PM
Claude you know where I live. Lessons on the hinge are free to you. And simple to.

C.Roberts
09-27-2013, 09:28 PM
Claude you know where I live. Lessons on the hinge are free to you. And simple to.

Mike, Sure am glad to hear an offer like that, for it looks like i'll be needing lots of lessons, especially if all those high powered super seniors decide to show up as geezers next year. Will definitely be coming to see you when I get down there anyway. Need for for you pass along some of that technical knowledge that you've picked up over the years. Probably won't make it until around Christmas this year, unless my old bones and joints get to acting up. Tell Jake congrats for me. Claude

3rdplace
09-27-2013, 10:12 PM
I will tell him.

carlosii
09-30-2013, 12:02 PM
just saw ZOOMIES advertised on t.v. $10 for two pair...WOW...they replace those bulky binos you've been dragging around...i may stock up and set up a booth at the pro ams and make a fortune.

(its a slow, wet morning in Indiana...brings out the worst in me.)

Elkhunter
09-30-2013, 12:27 PM
Aaaaaaah, Carlossi, you ain't gonna git 2pr for $10 !!! --- What you is gonna git is 2pr for $26 to $30 !!! You git 2pr for $10 PLUS "separate" shipping & handling fees for each pair, that is normally $7.95 or $9.95 each pair. You gotta read the fine print on yer TV --- keep yer 3D binos handy for when the next commercial comes on, so you can look at the commercial thru yer binos, so y'all can see the fine print.

Suggestion: Wait a few months, and Target will probably be carrying them in their "As seen on TV section" --- then ya can get 1pr for $10 without having to pay any S&H costs --- and that ain't S&H Green Stamps either.

OR, y'all can make a visit to Pigeon Forge, Gattlinburg, or Seveirville, TN, and go into one of the "tourist trap shops" there, and get some. They even gotta "as seen on TV store" there, as I recall. Then ya could buy lottsa other "junk" too without paying S&H.

I can just imagine they are some real "dandies" !!!

carlosii
10-01-2013, 12:09 AM
now Elkie is raining on my day too.

carlosii
01-05-2014, 11:11 PM
Hey Mr. Clawed, got an update on your progress with the hinge?
I've been working my HT the last few days at my personal indoor practice range and have found that if I pull, get settled in until the "click", then I pull to the release. My release hand ends up on my right shoulder so I think i'm following through ok.
Got any new tips to share with those of us still struggling?
BTW, temp is headed for the basement, the snow is blowing sideways and they're saying we could get up to 6 inches of snow by morning. So I won't be practicing outside.

Older
01-06-2014, 12:36 AM
So sorry to hear about the snow we got to go to muzzy for a 3d shoot today the weather was horrible it was 49 degrees an sunny but we weather it an got to shoot it twice with. Ken Dennis ray Hickman an L.P. Roy pope boy they can shoot but I don't know about it when it gets pretty weather.:-)

Elkhunter
01-06-2014, 12:38 PM
Rub it in Older --- rub it in !!! --- No wonder y'all is hot shots gettin alla those shoots in fore Newberry. We won't have a shoot til the weekend before the ASA. Were a shootin good, but fergot what a "yard" is n' what a "target" looks like, since last August --- that's OK we let ya have yer say on the podiem early in the season, but by the time the Classic comes along thats when we take over --- course ya know at Newberry thar could be some upsets.

My hinge ruteen is comin along perty good now --- shootin it better n' last year --- course thats what its alla bout --- improvin with age !!!

We gonna have 21 degrees tamarrah mornin n' 18 degrees Wednesday mornin. I thought this was the Deep South --- guess we gotta dig deeper, but don't wanna dig to deep er we'll end up in China --- BUT what be "snow" --- is that as in "snow job" --- er "snow white n' er 7 dwarfs" ???

bhtr3d
01-06-2014, 05:39 PM
elkie....I have the course all set for your little test.....It layout done....and you all are going to be in a joy.....I have it set so all the carts can be driven on the courses. Shoot I have a few lanes you can even drive the cart down to the target.....See how nice I am to you old codgers. Just make sure YOU ALL show up

Elkhunter
01-06-2014, 07:28 PM
Sounds good Timmer, but it will still be a last minute decision for us I am sure.

SonnyThomas
01-06-2014, 10:28 PM
Shop closed and weather like it's been I haven't even tried using my hinge. We had snow about half way to our knees yesterday and last night it dropped to -17. Just now checked weather channel, try -6 and wind chill of 27 below...

C.Roberts
01-07-2014, 12:07 AM
Just to get our mind off this miserable weather, has anyone heard if ASA is going to continue with their amateur class shoot downs this year?

carlosii
01-07-2014, 01:26 AM
Just to get our mind off this miserable weather, has anyone heard if ASA is going to continue with their amateur class shoot downs this year?

nada...it seemed to be a hit with the amateurs so maybe. not that i need to worry about such things...i'm just gonna concentrate of helping the Pope achieve world peace...not that Pope, the otherl Pope.

Elkhunter
01-07-2014, 02:32 AM
Hey Clawed --- Yes, accordin ta the new tour guide I got taday, the Senior Masters will be having their shoot off at the new site in Tuscaloosa, Alabammer.

Hey Carlos --- The "Pope" walks among us now !!!

Older
01-07-2014, 12:04 PM
Excuse me elkie but I thought you told me you had to put your bow down because you had shot so much you had messed shoulder up again an was shooting 1 in groups at 50 yards I get to go an shoot 40 targets an u ride me like a Shetland pony o the Horror of it all ( just saying )

Elkhunter
01-07-2014, 06:48 PM
Between some kinda electronic pulse thingie my wife bought, and the bone cruncher my shoulder is probably back about 50% to 75% --- never will be normal. I lighted up my bow a tad, n' am only shootin bout 275fps now, but I can still shoot real good --- just don't have any idear how much a yard is. Youse gize been havin 3D shoots since early December, and when ya ain't got no shoots, or all week long durin the week yer shootin at yer range a targets at home. I can see me n' the misses is just hafta gonna sell the ranch down here ta either Carlos or Clawed n' move northward a bit, so we can git inta some a that early shoots action y'all got goin fer ya.

Then too, Carlos wouldn't hafta wade thru er shovel any snow ta git his mail, so he could see me in the tour guide twice.

NOTICE; South Georgia mini-ranch fer sale !!! 6 1/2 achers n' a beautiful home

carlosii
01-08-2014, 02:03 PM
Is it possible that Elkie has taken up PED's? Electronic "thingies" a bone cruncher he's going to turn in to the Bionic Bowshooter...
If he's not careful with those electronic tbingies he's gonna start glowin' in the dark.

Elkhunter
01-08-2014, 06:58 PM
Carlos --- please explain what "PEDs" are ??? When I was a kid we wore "PFDs" --- black n' white ankle hi tennies.The thingies are four diffrant sqwear patches, that got wires n' plug inta a box that ya turn on, and then the patches pulsate/vibrate, and losin up the muscle nots --- feeeeels gooood. I did glow one time tho when they pumped me fulla some kinda radioactive stuff to take a MRI on my leg when it was crushed n' broke up --- thats why I stagger when I walk --- that part don't bother me that much cause I staggered fer years a lotta years ago --- druuuunk agin !!!

After my oractice today I wished I was a bionic bowmeister --- what a disaster !!! --- made some changes n' fergot ta tune test it fore I shot, so now I got my work cut out for me Friday mornin.

carlosii
01-09-2014, 11:59 AM
Can't help but wonder Elkie has been putting those "pulsing" attachments...ahhh...I don't think that's a scene I really want to think about.

carlosii
01-17-2014, 01:19 AM
I've been trying to re-visit my HT release thanks to Clawed leading the way. However I have come to the conclusion that I am gonna have to seek him out fof some personalized instructions... Since he seems to have become the HingeMiester for the Geezer set.

C.Roberts
01-19-2014, 10:20 PM
I've been trying to re-visit my HT release thanks to Clawed leading the way. However I have come to the conclusion that I am gonna have to seek him out fof some personalized instructions... Since he seems to have become the HingeMiester for the Geezer set.

Carlos, I've got my HT wore down to where the handle looks like one of these smoothies and I still can't hit the side of a barn, but I'm so stubborn and hard headed that I refuse to let it get the best of me. Seems like every time I miss a shot there's an Archery Talk Poobah with advice as to what I should change, and every change makes it worse. Now, it seems I've have changed so many things and have gone from just decent to terrible, but the thing is, I now can't remember how to get back to where I was, for the life of me. Can't seem to find my old friend Mr. Mike ( The great 3rdplace) for help. It's so doggone depressing. Least I can do is help you down to my level, but as you are an avid follower of Archerytalk, maybe we are already in the same predicament.

Older
01-20-2014, 12:34 PM
You ain't getting my scott wrist strap

SonnyThomas
01-20-2014, 02:58 PM
Weather still the pits, I get out very little. Back tension...This works for index and thumb releases, but you gotta think "back tension" all the while aiming and aiming is what you're really doing as back tension is there (so long as you don't give up on it). Every so slowly the (back) tension "draws" up, creeps into that release side "R" muscle group (I thought there was only one muscle) and magically the release fires. The real problem is, you can say it easier than done.

So we had January thaw, short lived.... I get that back tension thing going a just hammering what I'm aiming at. Problem number 2; Really using back tension you shot impact changes location - so I adjusted my sight so I was hammering what I was aiming at. Problem number 3; Remembering to engage back tension when you practice again. Couple of shots a couple inches left doesn't help your attitude....Mmmm? Altitude? I was kind of "up in the air."
Problem number 4; Remember to remove safety crosspin the Stan MoreX hinge releases. Yeah, all set, I'm on, that miserable 12 ring is history and CLICK!
Again, Mother Nature has decided we need more snow and more cold. I finally get out and it's "startin' to learn day" all over again. And having the ole back aching from plowing snow ain't productive neither.....